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Sump Pump SP500
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SURE HOPE THE 6'' PUMPS I INSTALLED WITH A CRANE WILL LAST THAT 20 YEARS. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO REPLACING THEM ANYTIME SOON.
RICK
I SAID THAT I NEVER INSTALLED THE RIDGID LINE OF PUMPS. I SAID THAT I HAVE INSTALLED HUNDREDS OF THE ZOLLER PUMPS. THE ZOLLER IS A DECENT PUMP FOR THE MONEY, BUT THEY ARE NOT LASTING 20 YEARS IN THE ENVIROMENT THEY ARE USED, FOR A $100 PUMP. HENCE THE 1 YEAR WARRANTY? ALMOST EVERY PLUMBING SUPPLY STOCKS THE ZOLLER PUMP. VERY EASY TO GET WHEN YOU NEED THEM. THEIR HIGHER END PUMPS MIGHT LAST 20 YEARS, BUT WE WERE COMPARING THE LOWER PRICED RESIDENTIAL MARKET TYPE PUMP. ZOLLER M53- 57 TO THE RIDGID PUMPS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT I AM SITTING ON OVER 20 ZOLLER PUMPS FOR THE NEXT SEASON. IF THESE PUMPS LASTED 20 YEARS, I'LL BE AN OLD MAN BEFORE I SELL THE STOCK I HAVE.
AS FAR AS AN EXPERT GOES. YOU SAID IT, AND YOU TOO ARE AN EXPERT IN PLUMBING. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SAME EXPERTIECE IN SOME FIELDS. PUMPS I THINK I KNOW A LITTLE BETTER THAN MOST. I REBUILD THEM MYSELF. IF THE COST OF THE PUMP IS HIGH. WHY SPEND $100. REBUILDING A $79. PUMP?
AS FAR AS A LIFETIME WARRANTY GOES. THE ONLY CO. THAT I KNOW THAT STANDS BEHND THEIR PRODUCTS 100% IS INSINKERATOR, (AN EMERSON CO). IN FACT THEY OFFER QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS AN EXTENDED WARRANTY POLICY. THEY EVEN SEND OUT THERE OWN FACTORY AUTH. PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN OR HAD A CUSTOMER GET A BILL. TRY TO SAY THAT ABOUT ANY OTHER FACTORY WARRANTY IN THE PLUMBING MARKET.
WATER HEATERS ARE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A VERY LIMITED WARRANTY. THAT'S WHY I SELL 6 YEAR HEATERS AND NOT 12 YEAR HEATERS. THE MONEY SPENT ON A 12 YEAR WARRANTY IS A GIMMICK. UNLESS THE HOMEOWNER CAN REMOVE AND INSTALL THE REPLACEMENT HEATER THEMSELVES, THEY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDING A PROCESSING FEE FROM THE SUPPLY HOUSE. UNLESS OF COURSE YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE HEATER WAS PURCHASED FROM THEM.
BY THE WAY DOG, THIS TOPIC (MY POSTING) HAS BEEN DEAD FOR MONTHS. YOU'VE GOT TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR PAWS.
RICK.
BY THE WAY, HOW LONG DO YOU STAND BEHIND YOUR WORK? I THOUGHT YOU WORK FOR A COMMERCIAL PLUMBING CO. IS IT 1 YEAR OR 10 YEARS? I STAND BEHIND MY WORK FOR LIFE. IF IT'S MY WORK AT FAULT,I'LL FIX IT. IF IT'S A DEFECT WITH THE PRODUCT DOWN THE ROAD, AND I SUPPLIED IT, I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. IF IT IS WORN OUT, IT'S WORN OUT. YOU SEE DOG, MY CUSTOMERS CALL ME. I DON'T ADVERTISE. I DON'T LOOK FOR WORK. AND I DON'T SIT AT HOME WAITING FOR THE PHONE TO RING. IT RINGS BECAUSE CLIENTS RECOMMEND ME TO THEIR FRIENDS AND CO-WORKERS.
FOR SOME REASON YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO LOOK FOR FAULT. DOG TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR. IF YOU'RE AS GOOD AS YOU MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE, YOU WOULDN'T BE WORKING FOR A COMPANY. YOU WOULD BE STEPPING UP AND RUNNING YOUR OWN CO. I WORKED FOR OTHERS FOR 15 PLUS YEARS. IF THEY COULD DO IT, IT WAS BECAUSE OF PLUMBERS LIKE US THAT DID IT. FOR SOME REASON I DON'T THINK YOU CAN STEP UP TO THE PLATE. YOU'RE TOO BUSY THINKING ABOUT FAULTS.
A FINAL SUGGESTION, HERE IN CALIFORNIA THERE ARE MANY FAULTS. THE GROUND SHAKES GOOD EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO. YOU TRY TO MAKE IT SHAKE ON A DAILY BASIS. GO WORK FOR CALTECH. THE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW FAULTS.
IT'S YOUR FAULT.
RICK.
[ 08-19-2005, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: PLUMBER RICK ]
TOO BAD YOU CAN'T TRAIN THE DOG SOME OF YOUR TRAITS.
RICK.
20 years is what I tell customers and I fully expect them to last that long. These are heavy pumps made for the long haul. The Eads Bridge over the Mississippi river in St Louis is made iron and steel and it has been standing for over 100 years exposed to extremely corrosive air pollution and oxygen. Not all of the iron and steel of that bridge has been replaced and it carries thousands of heavy vehicles across a very big river on a daily basis. There are many Zoeller pumps that I installed as an apprentice decades ago that are still in service and doing their jobs as intended. And my installs number in the many hundreds also.
Will they all last 20 years, no. Most of them will. Unless Zoeller has changed something, I could look God himself in the eye and tell him I fully expect 20 years from a Zoeller submersable sump pump. I have replaced pumps in the Mississippi river bottoms where the water table is just a few feet below the surface that were 25 and 30 years old. The key is proper installation and sizing. I have yet to see another brand hold up to what the Zoellers have done.
The smaller pumps have always been considered disposable pumps. By the time one travels to the location of the pump, talks to the owner, removes the pump, cleans the pump, replaces the float, switch or impeller, reinstalls the pump, cleans up and talks to and bills the owner and travels back to the shop or next job, it just makes no sense to re build a pump that retails under 200 dollars. Its not fair to the customer, yourself, or your company, whether you own the company or just work for it.. With Zoeller, properly installed, they will last a long, long time.
Exceptions would be a clogged intake, broken float retainer or mercury switch.
Can I ask you a question?
You are advocating a product you have never installed. Why? Because you can't stand to not be the expert?
I've installed numerous Zoeller Pumps, and have found them to be the most reliable sump-pumps made. Plumber is correct.
This lifetime warrenty bulls**t is just that. Get with the program. A warrenty does you no good if your basement is full of water. Oh, after a drawn out process they will replace your pump, but who pays the plumber to pump it out, replace your pump, and pay for your furnishings. It's the same lifetime warrenty that Craftsman gives on their tools. It did me no good when three times I had to replace a ratchet, which interfered with the completion of a job.
Each time an eighteen year old kid gladly replaced my ratchet. But no one replaced my labor time. That was when I was an apprentice. I learned from that. I know as an adult that a lifetime warrenty is no substitute for a quality built product.
Zoeller is probably the best sump pump on the market. It's the best I know. When you have experience with Ridgid let us know. And if you want to know about the Ridgid warrenty process, look at the forums below.
the dpg :cool:
Depending on the service even a 50 series should last 20-years. The difference would be if the pump is used for dewatering in an area with a high water table you may have the pump sitting in water 24/7 365 days per year. The other side of the service possibility is a sump pump which is installed in a basement which may not see use except during heavy rains.
Another issue you must look at is what damage will occur from a non functioning pump. If there is little chance of damage you just install the pump. If there is a chance of expensive damages you install a duplex system with alarms, notifiers and back-up power. Of course there is a lot of installations in between as well.
I think Rick brought up a good point between a service plumber and a new construction plumber. Typically a new construction plumber see work when it is new and may see a little of it for the first year if they are also in the service department of the new construction company. A service plumber generally only sees work which has been installed for at least one year. As we base our opinions on our own experiences I could see how we could all have different opinions.
Mark
There is no statute of limitations on wrong answers here. :D
the dog :cool:
[ 08-19-2005, 12:37 AM: Message edited by: plumbdog10 ]
20 YEARS? I'VE PUT IN HUNDREDS OF ZOLLERS. I'VE NEVER SEEN A ZOLLER LAST 20 YEARS. THEY ARE EPOXIE COATED STEEL. SITTING IN WATER 24 HOURS A DAY, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ABLE TO SURVIVE THIS LONG. THEY DO MAKE A BRONZE BODY UNIT, BUT I CAN'T VOUCH FOR THOSE.
IF THE RIDGID COMES WITH A LIFETIME WARRANTY, WHY DOES THE ZOLLER COME WITH A 1 YEAR? I'VE NEVER INSTALLED A RIDGID, BUT I,VE NEVER REPALCED A ZOLLER UNDER IT'S 1 YEAR WARRANTY. IF IT LAST 20 YEARS, WHY THE 1 YEAR WARRANTY?
NOT DOUBTING YOU PLUMBER. JUST CURIOUS.
RICK.
The new pump that I picked up yesterday also has a lifetime warranty but I can take it back for a free replacement at any of that chains stores. I have no idea what I'll do with the dead one. Need any spare parts?
For those interested in the Cadillac of pumps then I highly reccomend visiting Zoeller Pumps' home page and take a good look around. You spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on your home. Don't scrimp on a quality pump to protect it. And then follow the proper installation procedures including check valves and relief holes.
derekgaddy, It is also important to install the proper style of pump in your home. If you have a thin, narrow pit you may need to consider a pedistal pump so your system does not have to cycle as often, also check to be sure your gutters and downspouts move rainwater away from the house. Examine the grade of your lawn to be sure that surface water from your property and that of your neighbors does not pool next your your house or close to it. Check to be sure there are no leaks in your water service, swimming pool or garden pond.
And lastly, be sure your pump is not just recycling the same water over and over. It is a common mistake many homeowners and novice builders make. Route your pumps discharge line so the water is carried away from the outside walls of your home so it will not find its way right back to your sump pit again. IF your State and community building codes allow it, you can route your sump water into your sanitary sewer line. It will work well for you but you will then be increasing the load on your communities wastewater treatment system.
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